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This Void独家采访:“网上充斥着太多的音乐,需要一些业内人士来把你做得更大。”

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文字/采访 Chris Poppy
D = Daniel Möbes
English Version: See Below

Daniel Möbes生活在德国的汉堡,并在那里组建了这支在当地小有名气的This Void乐队。他的这支This Void是用英语唱歌的德国独立摇滚乐队,在切入采访正题之前的闲聊之中,Daniel谈起了他对当下大红的Jake Bugg和Tom Odell的喜爱,以及对老牌乐队Radiohead和Coldplay的推崇。所有提到的这些音乐人和乐队,在This Void音乐中流畅的旋律以及精巧的编排中都是有所体现的。和Daniel聊天的这日,This Void刚刚收到了他们的第一份正式唱片合约,话里话外感受到的自然少不了Daniel的兴奋之情。而发出合约的这家公司Devil Duck Records在德国业界也是口碑颇佳。公司的大老板曾是华纳音乐德国区的高层,由于厌倦了主流音乐界的铜臭气以及在大厂牌对音乐潮流滞后的洞察,他决定另起炉灶,开创了现在的这家独立厂牌。能签到这家厂牌旗下,This Void自然有他们的过人之处。依着Daniel自谦的说法,This Void仅仅是在地区范围内的小有名气。然而能在汉堡地区做到这一点却是意义非凡,因为那里是德国音乐产业的一个区域性的中心。

首先大体介绍一下乐队的情况吧,比如乐队是什么时候开始的,成员之间又是如何相识的,以及诸如此类的事情。
D:我们的乐队组建于2010年年底。那时候还只是个不插电的乐队。我负责弹唱,我的朋友也会唱。随后我又找来了另一个朋友在乐队里打箱鼓,也好有些节奏。但是过了一段时间我们觉得不插电的形式已经不够了,觉得自己有点被束缚到的感觉,我们想有那种更大声的效果…于是我们就开始演奏电吉他和鼓之类的乐器了。后来我们又找来了另一个成员来弹贝司。乐队以这样的阵容表演了大概七个月的时间之后又增加了一个吉他手。就这样,乐队从最初来的两个人逐渐增长到了现在五个人。但是成员之间在之前就是彼此认识的。我们之前都是一起上学什么的。

你们的乐队在音乐上受到了哪些影响呢?
D:这个比较难形容。我非常喜欢Coldplay和Radiohead。对我来说,他们都是了不起的曲作者,我总是希望能够像他们那样写歌。你一定知道,他们就是能写出那么精彩的旋律来。他们对我的影响十分长远。Portugal, The Man同样对我有着很大的影响。但是我觉得自己也被妈妈影响到了。她也很喜欢音乐,收藏的唱片为数庞大。在我童年的时候我总是毫不间断的在听音乐。所以我对Alan Parson一类的东西都很熟悉——我很喜欢“Animal Avenue”,Sting/The Police,类似那样的音乐。我听的音乐跨度很大,从七十年代的音乐一直到流行音乐和r’n’b。我相信这些都对我产生过影响。当然了,乐队的其他成员在音乐上也都有各自不同的影响。

你们的乐队在音乐场景中处在什么样的位置呢?比如说乐队有多大的影响力,取得了哪些成就等等。
D:我们目前的影响依然有限。在汉堡和汉堡的周边地区我们还是有些名气的,但是出了这个地区,我们基本上还是没什么知名度的。但是我们现在还在积极的努力。在去年,我们幸运的遇到了乐队现在的经纪人。在德国,他手上有好几个重要艺人的经纪约。跟着他,我们在过去的一年里做了很多事情。事实上我们正要签下乐队的第一份唱片合约(正好就是今天,我我收到了合同的邮件),签约后的第一张专辑计划在2014年初发行。这些就是我们目前为止所取得的成绩。除此之外我们还会在今年的Dockville音乐节上演出。我们是这个音乐节的忠实粉丝,在这个音乐节上表演也是我们一直以来的目标。

这样说来,乐队刚刚拿到了第一份正式的唱片合约,不过据我了解,乐队在此前已经独立发行过专辑了吧?
D:没错…在乐队组队半年之后我们就录制了我们的第一张专辑。在短短几个月的时间里我们就有了大概十三首歌曲。我们想,为什么不出张专辑呢。所以到了2011年年底就自主出版了我们的第一张专辑。那时很棒的一次经历。第一次进录音室,第一次处理录音。期间的差别是非常大的。一首歌能够排成现场的版本并不意味着这首歌就适合制作成一首录音室版的作品。能学到这一切都是好事。这也是分析自己作品的一个好办法。哈。

但是我个人以为,想成为一支出色的现场乐队要比当一个优秀的录音室乐队要更难些…
D:嗯…我觉得现场表演的时候你要做到的是“传达”,而进了录音室之后你所要做的则是尽可能多的尝试。如果你是个糟糕的鼓手,在录音室里你可以用节拍器矫正任何失误。但这分别是处理歌曲的两种不同方式。

和你们签约的厂牌叫什么呢?
D:叫做“Devil Duck Records”。他们的旗下乐队有Talking To Turtles,Miss Li,如果你听说过他们的话。

那么在签约与未签约两者之间你觉得有哪些不同呢?你觉得唱片公司现在扮演着怎样的一个角色,特别是当下DIY已经在欧洲非常完善了。
D:哦,其实是这样的。在起步的时候DIY当然是一种很好的手段。但是到了最后,所有的乐队,只要是他们得到了一点点的注意,有了那么一点点的机会,他们就会去和厂牌签约。两者其实是完全不同的两个范畴。网络可以帮很多忙。但是网上充斥着太多的音乐了。到了一定的阶段你的确需要一些业内人士来把你做得更大。与厂牌和经纪公司合作也意味着更加专业的合作伙伴。这些人认识那些在电台工作可以播放你的歌曲的人,他们也认识在杂志和音乐节上工作的人。这一切都是关于关系,那些有关系的人。对所有的事情都亲历亲为实在很难,然而那些人却可以用他们的关系和经验来帮助你。

音乐的灵感通常来自何处?你是否觉得身处汉堡在某种程度上塑造了乐队的声音以及音乐的主题?比如说《Ocean》这支单曲,是否和乐队靠海而居有关?
D:噢…没有一点儿关系…哈哈!汉堡,至少到目前为止,还算不上是创作灵感的源泉。但是大海在我们的音乐中占据了很大一部分。我是在葡萄牙长大的,我的童年就在那边度过。在那里我生活了差不多十年吧,就在海边上,欧洲的最西边。我很爱那段生活,喜欢那里的气息,还有沙子。尽管我的描述听上去显得廉价,但那里的确是个美丽的地方。并且我喜欢安静的时刻,孤独可以带来颇大的启发。而孤独也并不是坏事儿,它可以非常平和。《Ocean》这首歌事实上是关于一个我认识的人,一个当着你的面和颜悦色却在背后恶意中伤你的人。这首歌的主题是让这些人到海里去洗涤自己,去重新感受那种干净透彻的感觉。

啊哈!听上去多美啊!那你一个移民吗?
D:这首歌是想把那一页翻过去,你明白的,就是去试着理解这些人,而不是为他们动怒。另外我不是移民,我生在德国,但是在我两岁的时候搬到葡萄牙去了。

嗯,很有意思!!!那么This Void在签约之后是否会有任何改变吗?
D:一定会的,我们正努力朝Andrea Berg的方向转变!

非常有也行,愿你们好运气!
D:不过说正经的,我们之所以和这家厂牌签约是因为他们喜欢我们写歌的方式以及我们现在表演的风格,等等。所以我们也就没有什么理由要去改变自己了。而且我们对自己的音乐有着充分的自由。你晓得的,这是一个独立厂牌,所以我们也没有那种需要打造大热歌曲的压力。厂牌里的老板们不会来告诉我们一定要如此这般,或是对我们的造型指手画脚,等等。

 

 

 

Well, how is your band? Like when did you start, how did you get to know each other, and things like that?
D: We started in late 2010. Actually only acoustic. I played the guitar and sang and my buddy would sing too. With the time we got another buddy on board to play cajon, just to have some kind of rhythm. Yeah…and at some point we thought…okay..acoustic is not enough..you’re kind of limited… and we wanted to have bigger sounds, work with loudness… So we started playing with electric guitars, drums etc. So we got another band member to play bass. We played something like 7 months in this constellation and then had a second guitar player. So it kept growing and growing from two persons to 5. But we all know each other before. We went to school together ant stuff.

All right, and what about the musical influence?
D: Hard to describe that. I love Coldplay and Radiohead. To me they’re just such great songwriters and I always wanted to write like them. You know..they just have these wonderful melodies, always a big influence. Also Portugal. the man is a big influence to me. But I guess I was biased by my mother. She has a huge record collection and she loves music to. And in my childhood I would listen to music all the time. So I’m familiar with stuff like Alan Parson – I love ‘Ammonia Avenue’, Sting/The Police, things like that. It’s a huge range that starts with the 70s and ends with pop and r’n’b. I believe it all influences you. And of course all the other band members have their own influences.

I see, and where does your band fit in the scene? Like how big is your band, what have you achieved, things like that.
D: Oh, okay. We’re still pretty small. You know we’re a bit known in Hamburg and places near that area, but outside of that still pretty unknown. But we’re working on that. Well we’re pretty lucky to meet our manager last year. He manages a couple of major artists in Germany and with him we’ve been working a lot the past year. We actually just are about to sign our first record deal ( I actually just received the contract via mail today ) and are planning to release an album in the beginning 2014. These are the kind of things we achieved until now. Besides playing at this year’s Dockville festival. We’re huge fans of it and it has been our aim to get there.

So you just received your first real label record deal, but you already self released some thing I guess?
D: Yeah..a half year after we founded the band we recorded our first album. In a couple of months we had like 13 songs and we though..why not just release an album. So in late 2011 we self-released it. It was a good experience, the first time in the studio, the first time working with recorded songs. You know..there is a big difference between it, just because it works live, it doesn’t mean that it works as a recorded song. It was good to learn this and it is a good way to analyse your stuff. Hah.

But I guess it is more difficult to be a good live band than a studio band…
D: Mhh.. I guess live you have to “deliver” and in the studio you can work and try as much as you want. And if you’re are a bad drummer you just use the “beat-detective” and you correct everything. But still it is another approach on the song

What’s the name of the label?
D: it’s called “devilduck records”. they have artists like Talking To Turtles or Miss Li if you know them

Well, and what do you think would be the differences between unsigned and signed? What kind of role do you think a record label can still play in the business while the way of doing it DIY is already well developed in europe?
D: Oh well. Of course DIY is good method to start..but in the end.. all bands, as soon as they get a little attention, as soon as they get the chance, they will sign at a label. It is still a completely different range. Internet is helping a lot, but there is soo much music in the internet. At some point you got to work with promoters & such to get you bigger. And working with a label & management, it also means working with professionals. Working with people who know the guys from the radio station that will play your song then, they know the people at the magazines, they know the people from the festivals. It’s all about the connections, people that know people. It’s hard to do everything on your own and these people can help you with their connections and experience.

That’s also true. Where do you usually get the inspirations for your songs? Do you think being in Hamburg somewhat shapes the sound and themes of your music? Like your single “Ocean”, does it have anything to do with living so close to the sea?
D: Oh..not at all.. haha. Hamburg..at least until now hasn’t been much of an inspiration. But the sea is kind of a big part in our songs. I was raised in Portugal and spent my childhood there. I lived ten years, right at the coast. The most western place of Europe. I just love it..just love the smell of it, the sand. it sounds really cheesy but it is really beautiful. Also I like silent moments, solitude can be a big inspiration. And solitude not being a bad thing. It can be very peaceful. Well, Ocean was actually just about a person that I knew, that did so much bad stuff behind your back and was so nice when facing you. It was just the idea that these people go to the sea to wash themselves, to wash all the bad things off of them, to feel clean again.

Aha! It sounds so beautiful! So you are an immigrant?
D: Yeah, because the idea is just to get over it, you know, try to understand these persons, not to be angry on them. No, i was born in Germany but moved to Portugal when I was 2 years old.

Hmmm interesting!!! Well, will This Void be different after signing to a label?
D: Totally, we just try to be like Andrea Berg.

All right, very ambitious and I wish you luck
D: No, seriously..we are signing with this label, because that guy just loves the way we write songs, the way we perform etc. So it wouldn’t make much sense to change this, and we are totally free in what we do. You know, it is an indie label, so we don’t have the pressure to mark a huge hit. there are no label bosses that tell us what we have to do and tell us how we have to look like etc.



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